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Bishop vs Knight: The Eternal Battle

@Noobmasterplayer123 said:

I consider Bishop pair advantage of 0.5 increase https://github.com/jalpp/chessagine-mcp/blob/main/src/themes/material.ts#L47 in agine material advantage gets extra 0.5 if one side has extra pair due to reasons above, bishop in general is better than knight because it covers more squares and more space, that's my view though, but many systems prefer bishop just a little more!

Cool to hear! Yeah the systems think bishop better and also World Champions. I mean it's kinda cool how the best chess players also get the intuitive feel of the bishop being better, just like the systems.

@Noobmasterplayer123 said: > I consider Bishop pair advantage of 0.5 increase https://github.com/jalpp/chessagine-mcp/blob/main/src/themes/material.ts#L47 in agine material advantage gets extra 0.5 if one side has extra pair due to reasons above, bishop in general is better than knight because it covers more squares and more space, that's my view though, but many systems prefer bishop just a little more! Cool to hear! Yeah the systems think bishop better and also World Champions. I mean it's kinda cool how the best chess players also get the intuitive feel of the bishop being better, just like the systems.

What about chess variants like crazyhouse or chess960?

What about chess variants like crazyhouse or chess960?

@NDpatzer said:

Quick correction: "tanh is the inverse of a tan function." That's not true! It's the hyperbolic tangent, which is a different thing.

yes, tanh(x)=e^x+e^(-x)/e^x-e^(-x)

@NDpatzer said: > Quick correction: "tanh is the inverse of a tan function." That's not true! It's the hyperbolic tangent, which is a different thing. yes, tanh(x)=e^x+e^(-x)/e^x-e^(-x)

The fight between the knight and bishop of who is stronger will never ever end

The fight between the knight and bishop of who is stronger will never ever end

To train children:- The King is THE ETERNAL, ... the queen one Euro (Dollar etc), the Rook 55 Cent, the Bishop 35 Cent, the Knight 30 Cent and the pawn 10 Cent; and (god thank) they understand it easy.... later, they laugh

To train children:- The King is THE ETERNAL, ... the queen one Euro (Dollar etc), the Rook 55 Cent, the Bishop 35 Cent, the Knight 30 Cent and the pawn 10 Cent; and (god thank) they understand it easy.... later, they laugh

Very interesting considerations.

There is something that I do not see clearly.
How pawn structure is included in bishop/knight evaluation. I want to say something in knights favour.
Think about Caro-Kann's 2 knights variation 1.e4 c6, 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.h3 Bf3 5 Qf3 e6.
NimzoIndian, where dark squares bishop is changed in c3 in many variations.
Or variations where bishop is quickly exchanged in f6 of c6 like Rossolimo or Trompowsky

I mean that conflict in evaluation bishop/knight cannot be solved without consider pawn structure. In coefficients a,b,c...?
The same endgame with a pawn in c3 or c4, for example, gives adventage to one side or the other. It is one of many features that makes chess so fascinating.

Very interesting considerations. There is something that I do not see clearly. How pawn structure is included in bishop/knight evaluation. I want to say something in knights favour. Think about Caro-Kann's 2 knights variation 1.e4 c6, 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.h3 Bf3 5 Qf3 e6. NimzoIndian, where dark squares bishop is changed in c3 in many variations. Or variations where bishop is quickly exchanged in f6 of c6 like Rossolimo or Trompowsky I mean that conflict in evaluation bishop/knight cannot be solved without consider pawn structure. In coefficients a,b,c...? The same endgame with a pawn in c3 or c4, for example, gives adventage to one side or the other. It is one of many features that makes chess so fascinating.

knights are clearly better than bishops because a knight can escape the queen but a bishop usually can't

knights are clearly better than bishops because a knight can escape the queen but a bishop usually can't

@justiniano565 said ^

Very interesting considerations.

There is something that I do not see clearly.
How pawn structure is included in bishop/knight evaluation. I want to say something in knights favour.
Think about Caro-Kann's 2 knights variation 1.e4 c6, 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.h3 Bf3 5 Qf3 e6.
NimzoIndian, where dark squares bishop is changed in c3 in many variations.
Or variations where bishop is quickly exchanged in f6 of c6 like Rossolimo or Trompowsky

I mean that conflict in evaluation bishop/knight cannot be solved without consider pawn structure. In coefficients a,b,c...?
The same endgame with a pawn in c3 or c4, for example, gives adventage to one side or the other. It is one of many features that makes chess so fascinating.

@justiniano565

Good point! The worth of a knight or bishop depends on the position.

The method used here is to take into account all the games and find out whether bishop or knight is better on average. So the different openings would be included in the games on which the worth of the pieces are determined.

Saying whether a bishop or knight is 'better' overall can only be done like this.

Cos it's fun to give a decisive conclusion. But it's based 'on average' rather than on specific positions.

@justiniano565 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/CISaThBf) > Very interesting considerations. > > There is something that I do not see clearly. > How pawn structure is included in bishop/knight evaluation. I want to say something in knights favour. > Think about Caro-Kann's 2 knights variation 1.e4 c6, 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.h3 Bf3 5 Qf3 e6. > NimzoIndian, where dark squares bishop is changed in c3 in many variations. > Or variations where bishop is quickly exchanged in f6 of c6 like Rossolimo or Trompowsky > > I mean that conflict in evaluation bishop/knight cannot be solved without consider pawn structure. In coefficients a,b,c...? > The same endgame with a pawn in c3 or c4, for example, gives adventage to one side or the other. It is one of many features that makes chess so fascinating. @justiniano565 Good point! The worth of a knight or bishop depends on the position. The method used here is to take into account all the games and find out whether bishop or knight is *better on average*. So the different openings would be included in the games on which the worth of the pieces are determined. Saying whether a bishop or knight is *'better' overall* can only be done like this. Cos it's fun to give a decisive conclusion. But it's based *'on average'* rather than on specific positions.